that brings up the debate. no retorts like that from president obama. what do you make of the fact that we are now -- it's basically a fact now. four of the last five sitting presidents in the first presidential debate watched the challengers clean the clock. >> actually, i think this is good for the country, chuck. the reason i think it's good for the country is it will engage the country. there were big ideas last night. some of them imperfectly articulated and not well defended in some instances. they are talking about the issues on the minds of a lot of american people. and so i think this morning we have a kickstart to the presidential campaign. if it had been romney performing like the president, it would have been over. >> it's interesting. what do you make of this? is it the issue with a sitting president not used to being challenge. it's been a long time. what do you think it is? >> i don't think it counts. this is the most important debate of the campaign. >> et it together. >> get it together. you're the president of the united states. you ha